| ----- | -- Log on first started at Sun Jan 17 17:30:30 PST 1999 |
| forestryADM: | This chat session is being transcribed. It will be published as a html file and will become a public document |
| forestryADM: | So youd better be careful about what you say about the host! |
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| jebtaboz: | Hi Steve, What's cooking? |
| forestryADM: | You are early! |
| jebtaboz: | Better early than late |
| jebtaboz: | say, what's wrong with the BB |
| forestryADM: | I am still working on getting this thing set up. Give me 15 minutes! |
| jebtaboz: | I'll be back in 15 |
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| forestryADM: | Always a problem. I can't get on either |
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| forestryADM: | Hi BP still setting up give me 10 minutes |
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| forestryADM: | Three minutes to go |
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| forestryADM: | Welcome BP |
| forestryADM: | Welcome Jeb |
| jebtaboz: | Back again |
| forestryADM: | Remember that you are being recorded! |
| BP: | Hi |
| forestryADM: | The pressure is on! |
| jebtaboz: | I'll be nice |
| forestryADM: | OK |
| jebtaboz: | Hey what's wrong with the board |
| forestryADM: | BP I recognize your handle...remind me of where you are from |
| BP: | Mississippi |
| forestryADM: | Starkville? |
| BP: | Yep, and finally figured out how this works from the house |
| forestryADM: | Great |
| jebtaboz: | I remember her!! |
| forestryADM: | Are you a full prof yet |
| forestryADM: | maybe you were sorry |
| BP: | No, but did go up for promotion |
| forestryADM: | The board is having probs |
| jebtaboz: | Now I get server errors |
| BP: | I enjoyed the chat before, but unless I teach I'm gone |
| forestryADM: | This weekend is the big server exchange where my site will be split between two of em |
| forestryADM: | They are moving it now and mucho problemo |
| forestryADM: | What do you mean you are gone? |
| BP: | Travelling..research and teaching workshops |
| jebtaboz: | I'm confused also |
| forestryADM: | OK |
| BP: | Well, that is my general state |
| forestryADM: | I have those travell periods as well |
| forestryADM: | maybe travel PINESTRAW AND CHIGGERS!!!! |
| forestryADM: | Jeb and Pinestraw |
| jebtaboz: | Mr. Pinestraw to you!!!! |
| forestryADM: | can you do a compilation of info for a feature using ar info? |
| BP: | Say Jeb-how do you avoid the red-bugs |
| jebtaboz: | Maybe, I got on a post before it went down |
| forestryADM: | nother problem |
| jebtaboz: | red bugs or bed bugs? |
| jebtaboz: | Both are controllable |
| forestryADM: | head lice |
| jebtaboz: | Yikes |
| BP: | Red-bugs (chiggers) |
| forestryADM: | not this time of year I hope |
| jebtaboz: | I know them well |
| forestryADM: | Whats the best remedy for em? |
| jebtaboz: | stay indoors |
| BP: | My one adventure with pine straw was worse than most cruising |
| forestryADM: | HA HA |
| jebtaboz: | Tell us about it |
| forestryADM: | Oh yeah tell us |
| forestryADM: | Remember this is being recorded |
| jebtaboz: | Posteriety I hope |
| BP: | Thanks-the bites got infected |
| forestryADM: | Comeon BP |
| jebtaboz: | I hate the chiggers more than the ticks |
| forestryADM: | I can remember scratching and scratching and my mom made me put on gloves |
| jebtaboz: | At least you can see the ticks |
| BP: | Yep, and I was helping my folks..mom kept her gloves |
| forestryADM: | gloves scratched even better |
| jebtaboz: | Chiggers are a communist ploy to drive folks crazy |
| BP: | True, and they are quite successful |
| forestryADM: | yup |
| forestryADM: | Again the pinestraw |
| forestryADM: | will you do something in 6 months about pinestraw |
| forestryADM: | using your experience and the available pubs |
| jebtaboz: | What do you mean? |
| forestryADM: | A Feature on my site!!! |
| forestryADM: | would be better than Paulownia |
| jebtaboz: | Maybe but I'm still looking for a particular pub |
| forestryADM: | Ill accept the maybe but this is on the record |
| BP: | Which pub are you looking for? |
| jebtaboz: | North Carolina supposed to be up to 50 Million$ per year |
| forestryADM: | I believe you |
| jebtaboz: | It's on my post of today |
| forestryADM: | WalMart has some every year |
| forestryADM: | Does WalMart buy yours |
| jebtaboz: | The research is being done in ark just 3 miles from me |
| jebtaboz: | Not yet |
| BP: | I'll check that later. I have underemployed students |
| forestryADM: | BP, I forgot what you teach |
| BP: | Logging/operations |
| forestryADM: | OK |
| forestryADM: | Who was here last week Jeb? |
| forestryADM: | you mentioned a sessipn last sunday |
| jebtaboz: | Gotta go for a while folks, kiddo needs to do girl scout calls I shall return!!!!!! |
| jebtaboz: | Well not yet |
| forestryADM: | see ya jeb but who was here last week |
| jebtaboz: | We had four or so people |
| forestryADM: | What is a girl scout call |
| jebtaboz: | Claybreaker, one from missouri, TR |
| forestryADM: | Oh you only got one phone and a family |
| jebtaboz: | Little girl calling other little girls about girl scout stuff |
| forestryADM: | OK |
| jebtaboz: | We po folk can only afford one line |
| forestryADM: | I am one of ya'll |
| jebtaboz: | Better run Harriet needs the phone |
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BP AND COLLEGE STUDENTS IN GENERAL, GETS SERIOUS!!! |
| forestryADM: | See ya |
| forestryADM: | BP you were suppose to influence your students to join in chat.. |
| forestryADM: | Nobody as of yet huh |
| BP: | Iknow, but haven't had too much luck |
| BP: | The college limits access to the computers after hours |
| forestryADM: | OK but keeptrying |
| BP: | Now that I'm teaching, I'll try again |
| forestryADM: | They have to have puter in dorms or is my daughter the only one |
| BP: | Might be an interesting check on grad students |
| forestryADM: | Maybe she has been giving me the razz |
| BP: | Most undergrads don' have a pc |
| forestryADM: | she has a full internet hook up using the campus network |
| forestryADM: | WHOAAA |
| BP: | Or so they say- |
| BP: | And most live off campus |
| forestryADM: | Starkville aint that behind |
| forestryADM: | I can't imagine an X generationer not having internet access |
| BP: | No, But most of my students are transfers, and get computers their senior year |
| forestryADM: | transfers from jr colleges? |
| BP: | Yeah |
| BP: | And a lot from AL jr colleges |
| forestryADM: | I was one of those...Abraham Baldwin Agricultural College in Tifton GA |
| forestryADM: | Alabama is eat up with Jr college towns |
| BP: | So is Mississippi |
| forestryADM: | It is pork dished out by George Wallace many years ago |
| forestryADM: | who thought every town should have a college |
| forestryADM: | Bullllloney |
| BP: | I haven't figured out who started it here, but it is pretty much the same |
| forestryADM: | It has hurt the four year system |
| forestryADM: | and education in general IMHO |
| BP: | And the have the legislative power to get the money |
| forestryADM: | God you are right...lobbys running out the ears |
| BP: | Well a lot of my students are not ready for 4year college |
| BP: | Good kids, just not prepared |
| forestryADM: | Nobody will touch the system, students get a poor education, Mississippi State has to become a mother |
| forestryADM: | to kids who are not prepared |
| forestryADM: | I thought Alabama was the only state that had that problem |
| BP: | And the profs get frustrated, 'cause we have to teach basics |
| forestryADM: | I need to ask you something |
| BP: | Go ahead |
| forestryADM: | and it deals with registration of foresters in Alabama and Auburn |
| BP: | Hmm. we have registration here too.... |
| forestryADM: | There are kids becoming or trying to become foresters that cant do math nor spell |
| forestryADM: | They have graduated from the forestry school at AU and the University of Georgia |
| forestryADM: | Im sure from Miss State as well |
| forestryADM: | What is the problem in your opinion |
| BP: | Some is the jr. colleges, and some is the emphasis on retaining students |
| BP: | For a while we had huge class numbers, and that meant alot of multiple guess tests |
| BP: | So the didn't get as much practice writing and doing math |
| BP: | The bigger problem I see is the ethics question |
| forestryADM: | I went to a jr college but I got a lot of forestry including dendro and statistics. Do jr colleges offer forestry anymore? |
| forestryADM: | What ethics question? |
| forestryADM: | Keep writing.... |
| BP: | Some do, but standards vary |
| BP: | Everything is legal until you get caught |
| forestryADM: | carefull on how you word your stuff here! |
| BP: | We have some schools that we know the studentsare well prepared in math |
| forestryADM: | ok |
| BP: | Good point! |
| forestryADM: | keep going |
| BP: | Actually A lot of the challenge is getting the students to integrate the knowledge they have |
| forestryADM: | Whoa, they either know how to spell or add or they don't |
| forestryADM: | am I not right |
| BP: | You are right, but they get sloppy. |
| BP: | I had a student appeal a grade because I expected him to know how many poundss were in a ton! |
| BP: | And he "won' the points back (the conversion was on the front of the exam). |
| forestryADM: | WE had an Auburn grad that could not determine acreage using a chain |
| BP: | I may have heard about that one, we all hear horror stories |
| forestryADM: | another could not define section, township and range |
| BP: | I worry where these students will end up |
| forestryADM: | How do you make it through college and not know ranger kinda stuff |
| forestryADM: | They become forester |
| BP: | I asked mine to define forestry, and most had never had thought about it! |
| forestryADM: | keep going |
| BP: | I made them write a paper on it (due tomorrow) |
| BP: | It will be interesting to see what I get |
| forestryADM: | What is the answer |
| forestryADM: | make it a good one! |
| BP: | Well, if you check your dictionary, it doesn't really give with what I was taught in siliculture |
| forestryADM: | Webster is not the last word |
| forestryADM: | Is there a dictionary answer? |
| BP: | But, the art of working with people, money, machines, land, timber , and time |
| BP: | Mr. Webster tried to define everything |
| forestryADM: | also the govt |
| forestryADM: | the law |
| BP: | The dictionary may not be right, but it is probably the first place that the public will look something up! |
| forestryADM: | yup |
| forestryADM: | It is getting late but one last question |
| BP: | To me, both the government and the law are people related |
| forestryADM: | yep |
| BP: | OK |
| forestryADM: | Are you proud of kids coming out of major forestry schools in the US...not nec starkeville |
| BP: | Some...our better students are the equal of any (and this is probably true for all schools). |
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THE SERIOUS DISCUSSION ENDS!!!! |
| BP: | Butlike all professions, we will be judged by the porrtest performers |
| forestryADM: | Hi Jeb |
| BP: | Hi |
| jebtaboz: | Doo-Daaa |
| jebtaboz: | Hi Ya'll |
| forestryADM: | I never thought of that but you are right |
| forestryADM: | the weak link gets the credit |
| BP: | We have a new student services coordinator who is from business and very surprised at the high quality of the students |
| forestryADM: | And Jeb dodahs into the picture |
| jebtaboz: | I'll just wtch and see what you are up to |
| jebtaboz: | watch maybe |
| forestryADM: | do you see them as performing as well as vets or engineers |
| BP: | Hard to say...vets are in grad school |
| forestryADM: | I have heard many a groan about "why I took forestry instead of a more polished profession" |
| BP: | Just "lost" a student to a job at 38K |
| forestryADM: | with no degree? |
| jebtaboz: | Pardon me but forestry is polished in my book!!! |
| forestryADM: | My opinion as well |
| forestryADM: | but not for some |
| BP: | Masters (and an ex-logger to boot) |
| forestryADM: | ok |
| jebtaboz: | Iknow what you are saying too |
| forestryADM: | 38 k right outa school? |
| BP: | Like any profession it is what you make of it. |
| BP: | Yeah....and I should be working on his thesis! |
| forestryADM: | You should tryf for his job |
| BP: | Supply and demand...not too many oerations types out there |
| BP: | Tell me about it! |
| forestryADM: | you got me on a roll for one more question |
| BP: | Ok..but I have one too |
| forestryADM: | are todays kids expecting too much pay right outa school? |
| BP: | Tough one. I think too many expect a mid-level management job with that pay |
| jebtaboz: | Todays kids have no real idea of what is in the world |
| BP: | before thy get the experience |
| forestryADM: | Come on Jeb! |
| BP: | they, I mean |
| jebtaboz: | I'm thinking high school here |
| forestryADM: | gottcha |
| forestryADM: | A few years of dirt work does wonders |
| BP: | Well, we try to preserve childhood, but forget about preparing for adulthood |
| jebtaboz: | college kids should have a more realistic view of their role |
| jebtaboz: | and I think they do |
| jebtaboz: | as a whole |
| BP: | Some do, some just want to move back home and be a county forester |
| jebtaboz: | My generation had vietnam to predispose them to wordly ways |
| forestryADM: | preserving childhood is happening in college? I hope not... |
| jebtaboz: | Those guys taught me alot and I didn't go to young |
| jebtaboz: | just barely |
| BP: | But goes back to earlier preparedness. |
| forestryADM: | like mom and pop |
| forestryADM: | need to be kicked out of the nest and into 'nam |
| forestryADM: | maybe not |
| jebtaboz: | I'm getting depressed here, lets move on |
| BP: | And some need to be just kicked out of the nest... |
| forestryADM: | go for it jeb |
| jebtaboz: | how about that pinestraw |
| forestryADM: | All this will be on the record |
| BP: | I will say (on a better note) that most of the students want to learn |
| jebtaboz: | just kidding |
| forestryADM: | screw pinestraw! |
| forestryADM: | I like your planting pepper under pines |
| jebtaboz: | Hey it ain't mine |
| BP: | Are ya'll running into seedling shortages? |
| jebtaboz: | wished it was |
| forestryADM: | Whoa |
| forestryADM: | thought you had pines |
| jebtaboz: | yes we are here |
| forestryADM: | don't think so in Alabama |
| BP: | pine seedlings..just had a call asking |
| BP: | Landowner is on next years waiting list |
| jebtaboz: | yes I do have pines, no I don't do peppers |
| forestryADM: | ok... |
| forestryADM: | Seems you have to order now to get next years trees |
| jebtaboz: | More research as the crow flies |
| jebtaboz: | Our state nursery sold out in august |
| forestryADM: | keep us abreast |
| jebtaboz: | I'm getting some from Texas this year |
| jebtaboz: | SEEDLINGS that is |
| forestryADM: | speaking of breast, grow chickens under them trees next year |
| BP: | I keep hearing about agro forestry |
| jebtaboz: | too many are mistaken for foresters |
| forestryADM: | me too |
| forestryADM: | seedlings or foresters |
| jebtaboz: | Wave of the future for the brave |
| forestryADM: | sorry seedlings or chickens I am confused |
| jebtaboz: | but too much of a good thing does equal BAD |
| forestryADM: | what do you mean |
| BP: | Like paulownia |
| jebtaboz: | I just confused myself |
| forestryADM: | yup HA |
| jebtaboz: | Pine straw, catnip echinacae etc |
| forestryADM: | why are these bad |
| forestryADM: | ifen you can make money |
| jebtaboz: | we have one producer in the state producing any one of these, if more folk get involved the market crashes |
| forestryADM: | makes sense |
| jebtaboz: | That is what I mean |
| forestryADM: | ok |
| jebtaboz: | I'm all for it |
| forestryADM: | Like paulownia |
| jebtaboz: | just don't know what "it "is |
| forestryADM: | my biggest selling feature and full of bull |
| BP: | and some other crops/species extension has pushed in the past |
| jebtaboz: | I missed Paulownia |
| forestryADM: | another agroforestry crop |
| jebtaboz: | Another get rich idea? |
| forestryADM: | yup |
| jebtaboz: | What is it used for |
| forestryADM: | high qualitv verneer |
| forestryADM: | veneer |
| forestryADM: | chips |
| jebtaboz: | fast grower? |
| forestryADM: | yep |
| jebtaboz: | I know the leaf and that is it |
| forestryADM: | roots increase libedo |
| jebtaboz: | I bet |
| forestryADM: | biggggg leaf |
| forestryADM: | bigggg fruit |
| forestryADM: | messy yard tree |
| BP: | Bigggg hype |
| jebtaboz: | Congress? |
| forestryADM: | HA Bigg hype yup |
| forestryADM: | Congress and Bill Clinton and empeachment |
| jebtaboz: | messy yard! |
| forestryADM: | HA you got it and messy
family life
WHERE IS RECYCLE!!!! |
| jebtaboz: | Did you ever finds out what happened to recycle? |
| jebtaboz: | He just up and vanished |
| forestryADM: | God...Long time no see. Seems you think about old posters too |
| forestryADM: | New Zealand maybe |
| jebtaboz: | He was pretty cool |
| forestryADM: | and a regular timber slave |
| jebtaboz: | I think we talked him into it |
| forestryADM: | probably |
| jebtaboz: | That boy worked for a living |
| BP: | Speaking of working...I have to get back to editing a thesis! |
| forestryADM: | Time to go and thanks for dropping by |
| jebtaboz: | Well I'm winding down too see ya'll later |
| BP: | Enjoyed the chat! |
| forestryADM: | This is for the record |
| forestryADM: | me too |
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